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I have discussed this, probably excessively, over on my tumblelog, but I just want to say for the record, to Robin Morgan:

The majority of my female friends are voting for Obama. Not a single one of them is voting for him because they are "eager to win male approval by showing they’re not feminists," or because they "can’t identify with a woman candidate because she is unafraid of eeueweeeu yucky power," or because they "fear their boyfriends might look at them funny if they say something good about her," or because they naively think that "it’s post-feminism and whoooosh we’re already free." There are plenty of "glorious young women" out there who don't agree with you that Clinton is "better qualified (D'uh)." Also, using the word "duh" (and spelling it wrong) is not helping your attempt to bridge the "misrepresented generational divide," not that you've done a good job of it otherwise. If sisterhood is so powerful, what good does it do to pit one generation against another? Over on Jezebel, a commenter said she wanted the third-gen feminists to stop "sneering" at 2nd gens. I would posit that this essay sneers in the opposite direction.

I have been shocked in this primary season at how much casual sexism still exists in this country, especially in the media. But to me, the point of feminism is EQUALITY between the sexes. I'm voting for Obama because I believe both candidates should be judged on their merits, not on the color of their skin or the shape of their genitalia, and I personally think Barack Obama would make a better president than Hillary Clinton. And NO, that's not me being some retarded 3rd wave feminist girls-gone-wild bimbo who thinks that feminism is passé or icky or that all the battles have been won. It's me saying that I'm going to walk the walk if I talk the talk about EQUALITY.

Date: 2008-02-10 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenar.livejournal.com
fucking word. that essay made me see red. here's a response, one of many.

Date: 2008-02-10 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenar.livejournal.com
also - eeeeuewwwweeeu YUCKY POWER feels like it should become some kind of ironic catch phrase.

Date: 2008-02-10 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phamos818.livejournal.com
I like how there is no real sense to where she sticks various vowels in there. eeuwueuwueuwuewuwuuweeeeeuuueee!

Date: 2008-02-10 10:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenar.livejournal.com
it's kind of sad how people stuck in the past so desperately try to "relate" to the younger generation. not to say all people who are morgan's age do that - but, then, not all of them are re-writing out of date and contextually irrelevent essays.

Date: 2008-02-10 11:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] phamos818.livejournal.com
It could be worse -- she could be Mitt Romney singing "Who Let the Dogs Out" in some HORRIBLY MISCALCULATED attempt to relate a crowd of African-Americans. Oh my GOD was that cringeworthy. Robin Morgan confusing "duh" and "d'oh" pales in comparison.

Regardless of whether or not I agree with what Morgan is saying (or if I'm misinterpreting it, as a lot of her defenders are now insisting -- "she wasn't talking about YOUNG FEMINISTS, just SOME YOUNG WOMEN" as if that makes it any better even if it is supported by the text, which it isn't, and they always come back to this "you young whippersnappers need to learn to respect the struggles of your elders" thing anyway, which: *facepalm*), I also thought the essay was damn near incomprehensible. Maybe I'm misinterpreting it because she did a piss poor job of shaping her reactionary brain fart into anything resembling a coherent argument.

When I was in high school I had subscriptions to both Ms. and Sassy. I deeply appreciate what people like Robin Morgan accomplished in the '60s and '70s to make my life as I currently know it possible. But I'm a grown woman, and to be told that I am a bad feminist in this incredibly patronizing manner really chaps my hide.

Date: 2008-02-10 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tenar.livejournal.com
oh i didn't see that wonderful bit of mittensness. ouch.

i feel like morgan is trying to communicate to young/third wave feminists but is being condescending and belittling in the process. i have no desire to blindly respect my elders, even though, like you, i'm glad of and honor the work they did to get us where we are today, etc. so no, i don't think you're misinterpreting it.

and yes, i have no idea how she thought that essay was written well enough to publish anywhere. it's a mess.

Date: 2008-02-11 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] this-monograph.livejournal.com
i'm sort of disgusted by some of the stuff i've seen written by feminists (and sad to say, mostly second wavers) about this election. i'm not voting for anyone based on gender. sure, it would be great to have a female president, but i'd rather have one in office who actually represented my values rather than someone who makes me wonder what she really believes. HRC is someone i'm not sure i trust to take up issues of gender and sexuality in a way that's meaningful. i'm not sure about any of the candidates, but i'm not like, "oh, she has ovaries, that must mean she has my best interests at heart." and just the ridiculous amount of couched racism in some of these articles and press releases (NOW-NY, i'm looking at you)... i dunno. i had hoped that some feminists would have a better analysis of gender and class in this whole thing, but i guess not.

Date: 2008-02-11 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] notcotuit.livejournal.com
You are really kind not to mention that it is your own mother who provoked this discussion, sending you Robin Morgan's screed (which you had already read, and presumably, dismissed). I admit it touched something in me, especially her last line about voting for Hillary, not because Hillary is a woman, but because she (Robin Morgan) is.

One of your respondents sent a link to another, better-written essay that tweaks the line in a way that, of course, is what we should be thinking:
While Morgan ends her rant by saying, "Me, I’m voting for Hillary not because she’s a woman—but because I am," I would happily challenge this premise by remarking, "Me, I've voting for _________ not because s/he is a feminist - but because I am."

It is the oppression of any group of people that is to be disdained and fought. One oppression does not take precedence over another. I appreciate everyone's effort in polishing my brain so it shines with hope.

Carry on-

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